Think a commercial airliner can fit through this hole without breaking the glass above, or damaging the grass? What happened to the wings and the tail? This picture was taken just before this section of the Pentagon collapsed.9/11 bullshit
Sunday, March 26, 2006
Time : 11:27 PM
Time : 11:27 PM
Think a commercial airliner can fit through this hole without breaking the glass above, or damaging the grass? What happened to the wings and the tail? This picture was taken just before this section of the Pentagon collapsed.
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pretty damn good questions ?....
and where was the plane debris?...
and if you look at the after pictures- there are still trees standing...
too many questions...
( The "plane" susposedly hit the side of the Pentagon that just was rebuilt/renovated by TRW, the same firm the spy Richard Hanson worked for and he was charged for treason....and it was "rebuilt" by Halliburton for about 8million-hm, might have been billion ? no bid of course and no one said a word....
and where was the plane debris?...
and if you look at the after pictures- there are still trees standing...
too many questions...
( The "plane" susposedly hit the side of the Pentagon that just was rebuilt/renovated by TRW, the same firm the spy Richard Hanson worked for and he was charged for treason....and it was "rebuilt" by Halliburton for about 8million-hm, might have been billion ? no bid of course and no one said a word....
- Posted at 8:26 AM | By
enigma4ever
There were a few pieces of Plane debris in the rubble, but nothing large. Some of the sheet metal wasn't even fire damaged or soot covered. Some say these pieces could have been in the building prior to the incedent.
One thing you have to realize is that on that day the government was conducting a massive exercise to drill on what to do if an airliner or other aircraft were hijacked for use in terrorism. So, people were thinking it was all part of the exercise. But this picture is not an exercise in conspiracy investigation. But in what does your eye see when you look at this picture? don't over intellectualize this. Just look at the picture, and ask yourself if a passenger jet could fit through that hole. Oh, and in the surveillance tape with the missing frames. the smoke trail coming in from the right looks more like a missiles than a planes.
My Son actually had video that he found online of the building being hit- the explosion-I will have to get that address out of him...
The surroundings should have blowback damage- singed blown over trees and grass, and there should be shredded debris and foilage scattered around, and the thing that is to the right side of the building What the Heck is that ? it doesn't look plane like....
And the hole in the building- WHERE is the Wing debris- NEVER does a plane JUST leave a hole....
If the Plane hit as fast and as hard as was said there should have been debris everywhere...AND FUEL....
People at the Scene complained about an explosive odor....
I will post my son's websites and books later...
( can't bother him now- he's studying...)
Good for you LOC for raising the Questions and helping people to USE their eyes and LOOK...thanks...
The surroundings should have blowback damage- singed blown over trees and grass, and there should be shredded debris and foilage scattered around, and the thing that is to the right side of the building What the Heck is that ? it doesn't look plane like....
And the hole in the building- WHERE is the Wing debris- NEVER does a plane JUST leave a hole....
If the Plane hit as fast and as hard as was said there should have been debris everywhere...AND FUEL....
People at the Scene complained about an explosive odor....
I will post my son's websites and books later...
( can't bother him now- he's studying...)
Good for you LOC for raising the Questions and helping people to USE their eyes and LOOK...thanks...
- Posted at 6:05 PM | By enigma4ever
The wings are inside the building! When the airliner crashed through the building, it was still moving forward. The wings collapsed and were pulled inside the Pentagon as the plane continued to move forward. I can say this because at the time, employees of the company i was working for, who were helping out in the rennovations at the time, were across the street and saw the whole thing happen. They saw the plane clip the power lines as it slammed into the building. The whole "no plane at the Pentagon" is part of the whole tin foil hat conspiracy. That said, I still think that 9/11 was an inside job, a joint effort between the CIA and the Mossad working to enable the PNAC by giving them their new "Pearl Harbor". I don't think the plane was flown by Islamic terrorists who had no experience flying a plane that size enough to enable it to maneuver the way witnesses say they saw it fly.If no plane crashed into the Pentagon, then where is Barbara Olsen?
- Posted at 6:27 PM | By Lew Scannon
Yeah, but Enigma still raises some points Lew that are problematic. I have not seen that video. I've seen others about the events, from both sides and I have to say that both make a good case for why the other side is deceiving the public. I'm less convinced of the Pentagon than some of the other things. Now LOC I am not saying you are wrong or that I don't see your point. I didn't mean to give that impression. I'm saying I have mixed thoughts. I'm not sure what they are capable anymore.
- Posted at 10:20 PM | By
And how come Barbara was the ONLY one from the plane able to make phone calls that day ? There are huge pieces of the story that do not mak sense- the 911 Investigation Book leaves more questions than answers....
I had heard that TRW which was doing repairs on the building( the area that was hit) didn't lose any employees becuase of the "drills" that were being conducted.
Also Meyers and Rummy were both missing for well over 45 minutes according to the 911 Report. Rummy after first plane hit" Well, let's see what happens Next, if anything else is hit"
WTF????
And yes, the "amateur pilots" seem to have almost military accuracy ....
If there are wings, and pieces of the Plane- why were they never publicly released ? ( knowing the Bush Adminsitration the way we do now- they are media whores...NO pictures..hmm, kind of odd)
And According to Crash Experts, the Wings don't bend and fold they break and fall off- into chunks and pieces...there should have been debris all over-
including the lawns in front...burning chunks..etc.
HOW could they have done it????Well, they are Certainly GOOD at LIES....( ahem- the WAR in Iraq, WMD????Tillman, KATRINA...I could go on and on... )
I had heard that TRW which was doing repairs on the building( the area that was hit) didn't lose any employees becuase of the "drills" that were being conducted.
Also Meyers and Rummy were both missing for well over 45 minutes according to the 911 Report. Rummy after first plane hit" Well, let's see what happens Next, if anything else is hit"
WTF????
And yes, the "amateur pilots" seem to have almost military accuracy ....
If there are wings, and pieces of the Plane- why were they never publicly released ? ( knowing the Bush Adminsitration the way we do now- they are media whores...NO pictures..hmm, kind of odd)
And According to Crash Experts, the Wings don't bend and fold they break and fall off- into chunks and pieces...there should have been debris all over-
including the lawns in front...burning chunks..etc.
HOW could they have done it????Well, they are Certainly GOOD at LIES....( ahem- the WAR in Iraq, WMD????Tillman, KATRINA...I could go on and on... )
- Posted at 12:45 AM | By enigma4ever
I just hope it all comes out in the end and those insiders involved get theirs (in the end)! It is very difficult to believe that "that" many people could be quiet about a conspiracy that killed so many Americans. But, then we have to remember G. Gordon Liddy to remember anything is possible in America for the sake of the nation.
Isn't there debris missing? I mean I was not far from Flight 800 in NY and I recall the way they painstakingly tried to catch and save each little piece and tag it, they even hauled it all to be rebuilt to investigate. The way the debris in these cases was handled is kind of odd from what I have read. Seems odd that they put so much care into other plane tragedies but yet on this, big missing pieces of the story, a bullshit hearing where witnesses were refused.
We PAY these people to do their jobs and part of their job is to conduct adequate inquiries to learn, and possibly help in the future. So much was brushed over and that doesn't make sense given the significance. I am not saying it was ALL a plot but certainly there were behaviors or misdoings that were covered. Damned if we'll ever find out what they are.
We PAY these people to do their jobs and part of their job is to conduct adequate inquiries to learn, and possibly help in the future. So much was brushed over and that doesn't make sense given the significance. I am not saying it was ALL a plot but certainly there were behaviors or misdoings that were covered. Damned if we'll ever find out what they are.
- Posted at 7:46 AM | By
everyones comments have been great. I such a sceptic, both of the offical story and the conspiracy theorys. I agree, where was the plane reconstruction? Why did people at the pentigon smell Cordite? Why did building 7 get pulled? I doubt we'll ever know.
All of you Agent Mulders need to be more critical. The CIA was not working with Jews to kill people in the Pentagon. Why you want to believe this -- well, you'll have to ask yourselves that.
Here is some male-chauvinist logocentric hegemonic science to clear your tiny socialist brains. ;)
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FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.
Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."
9/11: Debunking the Myths
Here is some male-chauvinist logocentric hegemonic science to clear your tiny socialist brains. ;)
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FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.
Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."
9/11: Debunking the Myths
Agent Bowden, Look at the picture, no evidence of a wing hitting the ground. Look at the hole, 75" wide? hardly. The wing was an airframe structure, not a tin can. The design of the wing, and material characteristics of this grade of alumuminum is not going to just disintigrate or fold up when impacting an object, and then disapear alltogether. To say that an explosive event had enough energy to liquify the wing of a commercial airliner, yet not even break the windows in the building is a farce.
Jason, You're right, the CIA waas not working with Jews to kill people in the Pentagon, that's why the plane crashed into a part of the Pentagon that was mostly vacant. The CIA was working with the Mossad to create a pretext for a series of wars in the Middle East to benefit the security of the state of Israel and their continuing program of genocide against Palestinians.
- Posted at 8:19 PM | By Lew Scannon
Jason: If I were in Highschool- which I am assuming you are still....I would be hoping that someone gave a Wedgie so that your brain could have some sense crammed into it...GEEZ- if you actually believe the crap you spew- you need help...and I guess Pity....
Sorry LOC: I think it is fine to Question What has been so hidden and lied about....for so long..and yes as Human Jason is Offensive and nauseating ( and I guess braindamaged and certainly Souless)
Sorry LOC: I think it is fine to Question What has been so hidden and lied about....for so long..and yes as Human Jason is Offensive and nauseating ( and I guess braindamaged and certainly Souless)
- Posted at 11:12 PM | By enigma4ever
enigma --
Ideas like 'The International Jewish Conspiracy implemented 9/11' are unwarranted by the evidence. Specifically with the Pentagon, I believe structural engineers like Pete Sozen and Allyn E. Kilsheimer know their crafts better than nurses and mortgage brokers. Additionally, palestinian terror is not the measure of Israeli guilt -- and the 255 Palestinian deaths involved in their self-destructive intifada last year is not a genocide any way one slices it.
Below is more from the link for loc, who evidently did not take the time to read it:
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FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
Ideas like 'The International Jewish Conspiracy implemented 9/11' are unwarranted by the evidence. Specifically with the Pentagon, I believe structural engineers like Pete Sozen and Allyn E. Kilsheimer know their crafts better than nurses and mortgage brokers. Additionally, palestinian terror is not the measure of Israeli guilt -- and the 255 Palestinian deaths involved in their self-destructive intifada last year is not a genocide any way one slices it.
Below is more from the link for loc, who evidently did not take the time to read it:
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FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
I happen to know more about Forensics than most- I am not "Just a Nurse"...Ever heard of Forensic Nurses? ..I didn't think so...
I just don't think it is right to hassle People that THINK and QUESTION the lack of substantial Forensic Evidence presented to the Public....It is Unpatriotic...
( Our founding Fathers wanted us to ASK Questions and Think and Speak...)
and You keep spewing all this crap about religous issues and genocide- I am just dialoging about the EVIDENCE...( I never brought up any of the crap that you keep hyping- are you illiterate or just a narrowminded bigot- or gee both)
People died , all of us should be allowed to Question their deathes...especially if Bushco has exploited their deathes....
I just don't think it is right to hassle People that THINK and QUESTION the lack of substantial Forensic Evidence presented to the Public....It is Unpatriotic...
( Our founding Fathers wanted us to ASK Questions and Think and Speak...)
and You keep spewing all this crap about religous issues and genocide- I am just dialoging about the EVIDENCE...( I never brought up any of the crap that you keep hyping- are you illiterate or just a narrowminded bigot- or gee both)
People died , all of us should be allowed to Question their deathes...especially if Bushco has exploited their deathes....
- Posted at 2:02 AM | By enigma4ever
enigma --
Anybody can profess uncertainty about anything. For example, I can say "I doubt that the planet Mars exists." That doesn't mean the proposition "Mars exists" is uncertain and my doubt is warranted-- in fact, since it is completely unsupported as it stands, it is what C.S. Peirce would call a "paper doubt" or a "sham doubt."
Many of you guys on the left say (say, not demonstrate) known propositions are not certain just so you can find wacky conspiracy theories that make you feel less guilty about your irrational hatred of America and Americans.
Note that I've provided more evidence and reasoning than everyone (and by implication, anyone) here. As for people spewing crap about genocide and noble jihadists, take a look around this thread and examine your models of rationality, sanity, and spelling. ;)
Anybody can profess uncertainty about anything. For example, I can say "I doubt that the planet Mars exists." That doesn't mean the proposition "Mars exists" is uncertain and my doubt is warranted-- in fact, since it is completely unsupported as it stands, it is what C.S. Peirce would call a "paper doubt" or a "sham doubt."
Many of you guys on the left say (say, not demonstrate) known propositions are not certain just so you can find wacky conspiracy theories that make you feel less guilty about your irrational hatred of America and Americans.
Note that I've provided more evidence and reasoning than everyone (and by implication, anyone) here. As for people spewing crap about genocide and noble jihadists, take a look around this thread and examine your models of rationality, sanity, and spelling. ;)
